Veronica and Jeremy dive deeper into the topic of codependency, their experiences with it, and learning the art of unlearning while becoming more self-trusting. They talk about the stages of coming out of codependency and changing their stories, and also make room for the light and fluffy topics of inner demons, suicidality, and death. show notes - :15 RECAP: normalizing feelings for friends - 2:14 defining ‘codependency’ - 3:58 Veronica rattles off a list of codependent symptoms - 5:33 the unconscious nature of our behaviors and their effects on us - 6:39 getting out of the codependent pattern / the art of unlearning - 8:28 untangling from an information world - 10:41 the challenges of self-trust - 12:42 Veronica tries to get Jeremy to celebrate how far they’ve come - 16:26 changing our story as we grow - 18:01 there’s a time for blame + anger - 21:03 the importance of knowing self and needs - 22:55 exploring victimhood - 24:07 Jeremy shares his experience of a codependent relationship - 25:55 Veronica sees a soulmate in a “toxic” partner - 26:45 where our demons come from - 29:18 letting go of the old story - 30:03 consulting the inner child - 31:23 moving out of codependency / hitting rock bottom - 33:22 exploring suicidality - 36:02 insight through awareness + therapy - 37:10 Jeremy’s experience with therapy - 38:49 the limitations + gifts of therapy - 43:45 befriending your demons / what demons are - 45:49 a light discussion on death - 47:11 Veronica loses her cool at her upstairs neighbor - 48:07 embracing the unfolding of our lives - 49:31 Jeremy should be a therapist - 49:45 Veronica has another classic soapbox moment