"Did Michael Jordan have a break when he got to the top? Does Ronny Cheng have breaks? I know Ronny Cheng — he doesn't have breaks!"

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Original artwork by Ashley Ronning.

Recorded live at The Sausage Factory, Dulwich Hill on unceded Gadigal land.

Producers: Gab Burke, Tom Denham, Madeline Goldberger, Gus Macdonald, Ryan Pemberton and Joey Watson (EP).

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