Perry Marshall has been incredibly influential in the sales and marketing worlds, laying the foundation for the $100 billion Pay Per Click industry. But he had to fail first.

In the ‘90s he worked for Amway. After six years, tens of thousands of dollars lost, and significant damage to his marriage, he finally gave up. This episode tells the story of everything that happened in between—and how Perry’s Amway failure spurred him on to the massive success he’s found today.