On the fifth episode of Always Sometimes, my friend and collaborator Patrick Burns joins me to chat about dinosaurs, mother-son dynamics, pink, famous straight actors, his dog, and the highs and lows of obsessive thinking.

You can find Patrick on Instagram at @burns_so_good.

Recorded 3/27/23. Hosted and produced by Tom.

Intro and outro created using audio from freesound.org and the voices of friends.