In this episode, Dave and Mike speak with Robyn Minogue of 'Outside' and the Gaia Foundation. They talk to Robyn about the strength we find in community, as well as the power growers can derive from saving seed, not only politically, but also in the resilience of our growing systems in a changing climate.

The role of the Gaia Foundation, and Robyn's, centres on seed and seed sovereignty. This episode delves into various aspects of seed saving: learning how to start, incorporating growing and saving seed into growing systems, and why it is important for both people and planet.

As always, Dave and Mike also found themselves talking about our connection to land, and to each other -- as well as hearing a bit about what can drive us all to change, to activism, and how we may be helped along the way.