Staf CEO Jo Derrick speaks to Staf Chair and CEO of Aberlour SallyAnn Kelly about poverty, the pandemic and the potential for a care leaver Basic Income in Scotland. We discover the huge rise in the number of families claiming financial support during the pandemic and, in relation to the notion of a Universal Basic Income that, SallyAnn rightly states that 'as a country we need to step up to the plate and offer unconditional guarantees for our young people in a way we have never done before.'