In this conversation, Dr. Sud Koushik and Dr. Sam Barry discuss various topics related to refractive surgery and cataract surgery. They touch on the benefits of refractive surgery in reducing the risk of contact lens-related complications and the importance of educating patients about this option. They also discuss the best options for vision correction in patients with hyperopia and presbyopia, such as refractive lens exchange or clear lens exchange. The conversation also delves into the debate of whether to perform MIGS procedures before or after cataract surgery, with both doctors presenting their arguments. The conversation concludes with a discussion about the benefits of using the NGenuity visualization system in surgery.