Tom kicks off the discussion with a listener question about the overwhelming nature of contemporary newsyish media. They delve into ye olde topics like facts, journalism and how we probably need better methods to explain the modern setting. Tom raises the citizen journalist as the last hope of journalism in any romantic context. Jay used to like Jeremy Scahill. Tom briefly confuses insomnia with amnesia. Jay raises the idea or science as magic. Tom discussions the British news media in contrast to the US news media with particular attention to David Frost, Lord Hutton, the UK population's understanding of the Iraq War and the BBC as a pedophile clearing house (see Operation Yewtree). Jay gives a practical example of her use of the news media. Tom references the Intelligence Unclassified podcast to point out that all Jay's jive talk won't sway good Americans. Jay talks about her anti-war un-American behavior. Tom has found his burden of responsibility with regards to slavery. They discuss whether the podcast needs a musical outro.