Wes Trayner is a retired Battalion Chief who served 37 years with the Phoenix Fire Department. Over the course of his career he was a hazmat technician, technical rescue technician, engineer, Captain, Battalion Chief, Division Chief, a member of AZ task force 1, FEMA, and USAR. He is best known as the godfather of Engineering. He has created written exams, practicals, tacticals, and done interviews for firefighter recruits, engineers tests, Captains tests, and Chief officers for over 30 cities. In this episode, Wes shares stories about the Jason Schechterle incident, as well as the southwest supermarket fire where Bret Tarver called a Mayday and devastatingly lost his life.