Everyone has an opinion, especially when it comes to religion and spirituality, and most people are a lot smarter than we are. We just happen to be the only four people in the room having the conversation. Hosted by Kirkland Gee, Nathan Cantu, Kyle Major, and Tanner Petty, this is a place for conversations, disagreements, and strategizing how we can better do ministry in the 21st-century. Today on the show, we're talking about what someone has to do to become a pastor in 2019, how that's changed over the years, and what we think is the best path forward to fix that problem for the next generation of church leaders. EMAIL: [email protected]   WEBSITE: https://anchor.fm/smartest-in-the-room  RECOMMENDED READING: Helmut Thelicke, A Little Exercise for Young Theologians. Paul David Tripp, Dangerous Calling. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Life Together.