Molly and Christine talk about this 2-in-1 formulation that builds thick, creamy foam, conditions without building up and is betaine-free, sulfate-free, DEA-free, PEG-free, and no Prop 65 warnings.  Christine talks about how folks dislike silicones, Molly describes the formulation properties, and both agree that this is mostly a dude product because men are lazy when it comes to hair care.