Seja talks to her guest Jeremy Neale about his feelings regarding his new album ‘ We were trying to make it out’ which came out in February 2020. They chat about his Beach Boys influence, his start on the drums, learning guitar on a nylon string, and how knowing chords above the 5th fret doesn’t matter. Jeremy Tells Seja about the touring logistics of his 12-piece band Velociraptor, how to survive as a musician in a capitalist world and how lovely and supportive the Brisbane music community is. Seja and Jeremy share stories about how they say yes to everything and their experiences going to New York as recipients of the Grant McLennan Fellowship.