The words 'renaissance man' is used to describe a person who's expertise span several fields, and gets thrown around a lot undeservedly. When Jonny Potts calls Cliff Twemlo a renaissance man, he's absolutely correct. Cliff was a nightclub bouncer, film maker, library music composer, extra, body builder and novelist, and renaissance man is perhaps the only way you can possibly describe him. Hear Jonny describe Cliff's history and what it is about Cliff Twemlo that obsesses him. 

Jonny is our second return speaker in What We Talk About, listen to his first episode featuring his obsession with Whanganui in episode 11.