In this episode I sit down with @Kieren Lefevre Jiujitsu and we have a wide ranging chat that starts with changing schools numerous times as a child to trying to joining the Navy to become a Navy Clearance Diver.

We cover a host of other topics along the way from submarines to navy culture and I found this chat really intriguing as Kieren was only to happy to share his stories openly.

There is a lot in this one that I felt bad I had to cut it a little short as I had to go pick up my kids. That said, I look forward to catching up with Kieren again in the future on the beyond jiu jitsu podcast in the future!