Jason is off this week, but will return next week. Guest co-host Joel Ellenwood joins Mark. Dive into the controversial and often overlooked side of Abraham Lincoln’s presidency on “If by Lincoln, you mean…” This gripping podcast explores the decisions, policies, and actions of the 16th President that some argue betrayed the very principles of American liberty and constitutional governance. From suspending habeas corpus and silencing dissent to centralizing federal power and waging a brutal war, we unpack the complexities of Lincoln’s legacy through a critical lens. Join Joel Ellenwood (@_InfiniteZeal on X) as we discuss whether Lincoln’s choices were necessary to save the Union or a dangerous departure from the ideals of freedom and self-governance. Thought-provoking, meticulously researched, and unafraid to challenge the mythos, we reveal a side of Honest Abe you won’t find in history textbooks. Tune in for a bold reexamination of one of America’s most iconic leaders.

Why Listen?

Uncover little-known stories of Lincoln’s presidency that challenge conventional narratives.

Hear insights on the constitutional and ethical implications of his actions.

Engage with a balanced exploration of Lincoln’s legacy - hero, tyrant, or something in between?

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