Dr. Norah McRae is the Associate Provost for cooperative and experiential education at the University of Waterloo, one of the largest co-op schools in the world. She is also head of the Secretariate of the World Association of Cooperative Education (WACE) for promoting work-integrated learning and the sustainable knowledge society. It is in both capacities that we interview her in this podcast. Dr. McRae’s professional career began at the University of Victoria in 1992, where she earned her PhD in 2014 after earning her Master’s degree 1987 in Business Administration at the University of Alberta. At Victoria, she rose to be the Executive Director of Cooperative Education and Career Services, and in 2018, she moved to Waterloo to take her current position as the Associate Provost. In 2023, she completed additional training from the Institute of Corporate Directors in Toronto. In this interview, Dr. McRae discusses her interest in transformational learning and how that relates to Work Integrated Learning (WIL) or as sometimes called Cooperative Education (Co-op). She discusses the move of the WACE secretariate from its founding location in the USA to its current location in Waterloo, Canada, the recent World Conference there in June of 2023, and WACE’s programs and role as the only international WIL or Co-op organization under the network-of-networks idea.