This chat is mainly about swans, as we stand beside the Thames surrounded by a flock of them, as Paula feeds them. We also hear about some of her other passions including advising local schools using her business background. "I retired a few years ago... you keep your mind open to things you don't yet know you're going to be passionate about... I've found a whole different purpose in the wildlife of London". #otherlivesareavailable #eastlondon #podcast #swans