Mark Wilson and Michelle Rubin have an honest discussion about racism, including Mark's experience as the only Black student in their predominantly white high school, an open letter he wrote to former classmates and more.

Intro

White Fragility by Robin Diangelo

Conversation

• Why Mark decided to write an open letter to his "Iowa brothers and sisters" (10:35)
• Being the only Black student in an all-white school (16:20)
• The open letter Mark posted on Facebook (21:10)
• How often Mark gets pulled over by the police (38:48)
• Part 2 of the letter (and Mark's first day at an all-white junior high) (48:12)
• The first time Mark heard someone use the word "racist" (1:00:10)
• Reactions to Mark's Facebook post (1:15:45)
• Continue the conversation
• • Email [email protected]
  • Post a comment
  • Engage on social media
  • • Instagram
    • Facebook
    • Twitter
• Mark's upcoming podcast, "The Unheard American Voices" (1:38:05)

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• #sunshinesongs (1:45:25)

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Connect with Mark

Email: [email protected]