This week, Alexis gets non-technical with Kara Swisher, journalist, podcaster, and opinion writer for The New York Times. They talk about shrimp scampi & caviar (obviously), floral decay, ‘Arcadia,’ shoulder pads, and why getting a tattoo is—or should be—like ordering a sandwich.

You can find Kara on Twitter at twitter.com/karaswisher and Alexis at twitter.com/yayalexisgay or instagram.com/yayalexisgay and twitter.com/NonTechnicalPod.

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