Nick makes an honest and concerted effort to defend the system that resulted in Kalief Browder's suicide whilst Jessa basically loses her mind.

56: Ep. 56: Browder, Part II: Where Jessa Is So Pissed She Can't Be Punny

Criminal defense attorneys Jessa Nicholson Goetz and Nicholas (Nick) Gansner discuss high profile trials, defense strategies, popular culture’s fixation on crime, and all other things related to criminal justice and criminal law. We try to use actual trial records and motions to explain how a verdict is reached in cases that surprise people, and to highlight some lesser known cases. We also like to talk about bail, criminal justice reform, juvenile justice, etc. We think we are kind of funny some days, and hope you do, too. Other days, we're pretty angry, and we hope you are, too. This is unedited and low-fi, so if you're skilled in sound engineering or production, we'll probably drive you crazy (apologies in advance.)

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56: Ep. 56: Browder, Part II: Where Jessa Is So Pissed She Can't Be Punny

56: Ep. 56: Browder, Part II: Where Jessa Is So Pissed She Can't Be Punny