Sara Hardman and Elizabeth O'Brien join Cara and Derek to talk about -- I don't know how else to say it -- the mattering of the spaces where teachers work and children learn: how valorization and valuation work in and through educational settings.

For Elizabeth's book, click here.

For Sara's dissertation, hopefully a preview of the book to come, click here.

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