As we enter the fourth year of the COVID-19 pandemic, Dr. Mike Osterholm, a leading expert from the University of Minnesota, talks to Stephanie Desmon about why hundreds of people in the U.S. continue to die each day from COVID and tens of thousands are newly hospitalized. They discuss the question he gets asked most often, "Is this pandemic ever going to end?", as well as coming variants, the massive outbreaks in China, and the lack of demand for vaccines and treatments that are effective in preventing death and severe disease.