In this episode of On the Subject, we sit down with Ava Gilani Jacobs, Director of Curriculum and Instruction at UCLA Lab School, to explore how students as young as third grade are learning to break down bias, question what they read, and craft arguments rooted in ethos, pathos, and logos. From simulations on EV cars to real-world kindness curriculum, we dig into what it means to raise not just good students—but thoughtful, critically-minded citizens. Plus, we reflect on the teachers who made us feel seen and the future of learning in 2035.