Musician Nick Long (Church Mouse) swings by the podcast to talk about A Great Big Pile of Leaves, living on a 22-foot boat, dodging weird tragedies, being kept on a leash, daikaiju movies, Micro Ninja Heart Surgeons, Victor Wooten, learning music like a language, weird time signatures, the sound of Church Mouse, chilling out to Metal Machine Music, effects pedals, clashing politically with an old boss, optimistic nihilism, the inevitable heat death of the universe, meme culture and telepathy, and the most peaceful time in human history.

Find him online at: https://churchmouseca.bandcamp.com/ or https://www.facebook.com/churchmouseca/

or follow Church Mouse on Instagram: @churchmouseca