In this episode of WordSmith, Pastor Clay sits down with attorney and longtime friend David Yonker to talk through Ecclesiastes 4 and the hard realities it brings up—oppression, injustice, and the human longing for things to be made right. Drawing from his experience as a former prosecutor, David shares real-life perspective on the brokenness he’s seen and the limits of human systems to fix it.

As they walk through the passage, Clay and David discuss how Christians can respond when they encounter injustice: by lamenting what’s broken, caring for those who suffer, and remembering that our ultimate hope isn’t in earthly solutions, but in a just and faithful God. It’s an honest, thoughtful conversation about a difficult topic—and a reminder that God sees every wrong and will one day make all things right.

Dr. Clay Smith is the senior pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church, located just north of Atlanta, GA. JF, as it is affectionately called, is a healthy, vibrant church committed to helping people find truth, belonging, and purpose in Jesus.

Learn more about Johnson Ferry Baptist Church at johnsonferry.org