Our guest, Thalia Forbes, ticks off ALL the boxes for an interview we knew we'd love well before we had it: creator, writer, thinker, sober person, creative director, passionate leader on a healing journey, and countless others. Even so, our conversation went deep into some cosmically abstract space of sociology, empathy, and how to be in the world that neither of us could have expected. This is an episode your heart, mind, and soul will thank you for.