Rutledge and Hamilton

5PM: Are the Packers a Top 5 Franchise Since 2010?


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Hour two keeps the ego sparring alive but settles into a much meatier Packers autopsy, as Jim, Matt, and Molly argue over Brian Gutekunst’s track record and whether fans should actually trust him to nail a draft when it matters most. They grade last offseason with and without the Micah Parsons splash, debate missed and hit draft picks, and circle the uncomfortable conclusion that Green Bay probably needs an elite draft—not just a decent one—to truly contend. That spirals into a bigger-picture argument about organizational success, with the crew ranking NFL franchises since 2010 and reluctantly slotting the Packers as solidly top-10 but outside the true top-five tier dominated by teams like the Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Seahawks, and Rams. The back half lightens up with “Throwing Stones,” as they dissect Super Bowl commercials—calling out the best, the cringiest, the creepy (hello, Ring), and the ones that tried way too hard—while admitting many of them slept through chunks of the game anyway. The hour blends Packers existentialism with pop-culture nitpicking, landing on a familiar theme: good, not great… and still chasing the standard.
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