This week, we talk to Nick Rynerson, stalwart 6 on the enneagram. He is Richard’s boss, the Chief Creative Officer at Useful Group, and host of the podcast Burn After Listening, where he ponders music. (Subscribe here)

Look, it can be hard being a 6. Are you phobic, or counterphobic? Both? We ask Nick the same question and get to the bottom of what fear looks like in someone who’s ready for almost every disaster known to man. Financial decline, worldwide pandemic, civil unrest, freaking aliens, Nick is ready for it all. Just don’t tell him his musical hero died. He’s not ready for that. Even if they’re freakin 66 years old.