Robert is an Agile Coach for one of the top financial institutions in the world where he helps teams find better ways of working and helps developers improve their technical craft. He has been a CTO, a CEO, and a faculty head and loves coding. Rob and I talk about taking ownership, video games vs social media, and the modern "job", and we of course get into the thought frameworks. Near the end, Rob provided an incredibly valuable addition to the frameworks combining two of them in a way I never thought about.