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Ruby Franke was a Mormon mommy vlogger who found fame through her wildly popular YouTube channel 8 Passengers. At its height, the channel boasted over 2 million subscribers, but it all came crashing down as backlash grew over Ruby’s increasingly disturbing discipline tactics. Enter Jodi Hildebrandt, a self-proclaimed mental health coach highly revered by the LDS church. Together, their cult-like ideologies and thirst for control created a dangerous spiral—one that would lead to devastating consequences.

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