Today's Podcast is with Paul Gagner. Paul's first outdoor love was Yosemite, and he didn't stop there. He has spent more than four decades exploring, adventuring, and putting up first ascents on rock across the US and internationally. After working in the outdoor industry for over 40 years, the majority of his career was in the outdoor equipment and apparel space. Now running his own adventure touring company in Utah, and Paul is still climbing El Capitan. Tune in for a wide ranging conversation. To learn more about Paul: https://dreamlandtours.net/about/