Kathy Conder has been a paranormal investigator and enthusiast for over 35 years.  She has traveled across different countries and the United States to all different types of haunted places.  She recently wrote a book called Hauntings, Spirits & Eats Michigan.  Its basically your go to itinerary for a weekend of paranormal investigating helping you plan your stay and go to the good spots.  She also is the creator of the Michigan Paranormal Encounters Facebook page that has over 8,000 members.  It was a great conversation on all things paranormal so give this a listen today! Follow us here: Facebook YouTube (Video Version) @obscuredstateofmind