Heron likes the Stone Ape format. Heron needs a technological communication update. Tom digs deeper into damn skippy. Tom gives an account of early Twitter interacting with Google. Tom recommends a documentary on J. D. Salinger and talks about publish's last hurrah. They wander through a request by Mats to produce When the Flowers Died, involving Tom reliving his drive to Silicon Valley and a drive around Tasmania. Tom draws the conversation to buying and owning houses. They rap on cannabis dispensaries. Mats gets them going on the justice system. They conclude on a familiar theme and a question for the future from Toni Ryan.