This week we sit down with Jonathan Cutrell.

He's the host of the beloved podcast Developer Tea and co-found Spec, the very Network that this show belongs to.

Now, when podcasters get together and talk. They talk... for hours.

So this is part one of a two parter.

Today, we glean from Jonathan's transition from musician to developer.

We discover how constrained systems like music primed him for life as a developer, and the ways in which all systems being infused with our humanity.

We talk about how to keep doing work you love and finding, or creating, a company that will help you do.