Seja talks to her guest Ngaiire about surviving a volcanic eruption in Papua New Guinea as a child, how Australian life differs to PNG life, and how she started to love singing. She tells Seja about studying jazz, singing with Blue King Brown, and her mother’s influence on how she conducts herself creatively and personally. They chat about how writing a happy song is hard, getting a live show together and working in the gaps of parenting.

Ngaiire’s strange show experience is illustrated by Ben Ely (Regurgitator). You can see all podcast illustrations on instagram @hearsejpodcat or on the HearSej Facebook page