Taking a listener's recommendation to do some "shadow work"—a therapy technique culled from a New Yorker article about an unconventional Hollywood therapist—Dan takes Nathan through a brief primer on differing modalities, and why they shouldn't necessarily be pitted against each other. Then, they discuss where Jung and Freud's theories are embedded in modern thought, identifying the value of picking out what's useful as we wrestle with what it means to be human.