Nathan Hagens is a former hedge fund manager who studies fossil energy depletion and founded the website The Oil Drum. He talks with Eric about the turn of events that shifted his career and attention away from the finance sector and to the study and social context of energy, people's resistance to stories about reduced consumption, fossil fuel depletion, human beings as a superorganism, and adaptive cycles, among other things. Listeners can find transcripts, show notes, and other premium content at patreon.com/ericgarza.