In this engaging conversation, Dr. Teri Herron shares her extensive experience in higher education and  emphasizes the importance of collaboration between faculty and instructional designers. She discusses the need to rethink course design, moving away from rigid checklists to a more iterative and student-centered approach. The dialogue highlights the significance of asking questions, embracing failure as a learning opportunity, and fostering a culture of openness and experimentation in educational settings. . The conversation highlights that when collaboration is prioritized, students ultimately benefit from enhanced learning experiences.