Every Christmas at Relevate, the team shares Secret Santa gifts. And two years ago, one of the team presented CEO Connor Butler with a book called Everybody Matters: The Extraordinary Power Of Caring For Your People Like Family by Bob Chapman. The book had a powerful impact on Connor, overlapping with a number of themes that had been on his mind since leaving Intel and starting up Relevate. In this episode, recorded earlier in 2022, Connor and Bob speak for the first time in a fascinating exploration of why the concept of caring for people is particularly pertinent in the resource-focused world of construction.