In this episode, Matt and Rachel discuss this quote: "Was this parenthood? That every second of joy would be atomically split with fear?" They talk about their own different experiences of wrestling with fear, anxiety and mortality in the context of parenthood and marvel at just how different two people can be.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Ashley Gadd's newsletter
• Sinéad Gleeson's memoir Constellations
• The Daily (by the New York Times), particularly a recent episode on California's promise to only sell new electric cars by 2035.