Seja talks to her guest Hayley Mary (the Jezabels) about feelings, singing from the heart and how Unchained Melody was the catalyst for Hayley’s love of singing. Hayley tells Seja about her love of dramatic melodies, how she sees singing as a game she tries to get better at, and the horror of playing solo acoustic shows. They chat about both attending Steiner schools, how to push yourself to be heard and the appeal of nihilism and chaos.

Hayley’s strange show story was illustrated by Ruby McGregor (Babaganouj, Catalano, Lexicon). You can see all podcast illustrations on instagram @hearsejpodcat or on the HearSej Facebook page