In this episode, Rachel and Matt talk about what it's like to have time away from Oliver, how normal that feels, and the swirl of feelings and cultural expectations that  around that. They also explore the positive side of "time away" that opens up a part of them that isn't just a parent. Oh, and they bring up some Other Stuff, of course.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Matt references a podcast where three Dads are talking about wanting time with their kids as they want less time with you. Here is that podcast: Dadville with Chris Shiflett
• "No Guilt Allowed! Why Parents Need Time for Themselves" by Brian Gresko
• Junior Bake Off