This chat on a park bench is almost entirely about poetry, starting from a theme of longing and going on to the creative process and finding your voice. "It's very easy to think that you're pushing boundaries and breaking the rules, when really what you're doing is not very interesting at all. I'm getting to a point where I have a much better sense of where the contemporary world is at in terms of poetry, and where I myself could lie in it." Find his most recently published poetry here: https://substack.com/@daniecooke #otherlivesareavailable #eastlondon #podcast #poetry