Seja talks to her guest Ian Kenny (Birds of Tokyo) about working on music remotely, making mistakes on stage and the grossness of creating ‘content’ for fans. Kenny tells Seja about the creative hub in his hometown of Dunsborough, Western Australia, being vulnerable with band mates and trying not to think about your audience while writing songs. They share some random phone notes and chat AFL grand final.

Kenny’s strange show experience was illustrated by Eadie Newman (@anemone_ears). All illustrations can be seen on Instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.