I've known Jake for like a decade or something like that. We started recording music at the same time, longitude, and latitude. This is one of those rare Hazzlee Podcast episodes that is also a video. So if you're listening to this as an audio podcast then go to YouTube and watch it, because it's definitely worth it. Um yeah this was a really fun episode to make super excited to start doing more video ones like this. oh yeah Jake is doing a weekly cypher on his soundcloud account so be sure to check that out!