Seja talks to her guest Charley about her new single Arizona, its themes of mental health, panic and anxiety, and how relatable these themes are amongst artists. Charley shares her stories about being a competitor on The Voice and what she learnt from these experiences about her own creative output. She tells Seja about collaborating with other artists and producers, how communication is the key to all good songwriting and how feeling vulnerable is an important part of the process. Seja and Charley share stories about their misophonia, theories on immersion therapy and singing with accents.

Charley’s strange show experience was illustrated by @alice_amsel. All illustrations can be seen on Instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.