In this episode, I take on one of the most heated debates in the UK right now: airport expansion. With the UK government giving the green light to new runways, we explore the bigger questions beyond carbon emissions. Why is aviation still a lightning rod for controversy? Are we having the wrong debate? And why do we need a smarter, more pragmatic approach to how we manage growth?

Then, I sit down with Andrew Hargest, founder and CEO of SupplyClub, to talk about why packaging needs a radical rethink.

We explore:

🔹 How a side hustle turned into a nationwide business transforming how companies source packaging

🔹 The biggest barriers stopping businesses from making better material choices

🔹 Why packaging isn’t just about materials; it’s about systems, incentives, and accessibility

🔹 What the future holds for the industry – from new materials to the role of digital distribution.

Whether you’re curious about the future of aviation, interested in how smart businesses are solving packaging waste – or just love big, thought-provoking conversations, this episode has something for you.

Hit play, and let’s get into it.