Empathic fungi, revolutionary politics, and dirigibles, oh my! Shaun Duke and Brandon O’Brien are joined by Nisi Shawl to talk about their new novel, Kinning, the sequel to the much-loved Everfair. Together, they discuss Shawl’s approach to writing alternate history, anarchism across the sea, the moral complexities of hiveminds, and more. Thanks for listening. We hope you enjoy the episode! Show Notes: If you have a question you’d like us to answer, feel free to shoot us a message on our contact page. Our new intro and outro music comes from Holy Mole. You can support his work at patreon.com/holymole. See you later, navigator!