Not all software engineers want to become engineering managers. Anand Safi is an Engineering Manager at Mark43, and while his career journey from software engineer to software manager was rather intentional, he joins the show to chat about other options for promoting your best engineers.

He also shares how Toastmasters helped him become a more empathetic speaker, how to deal with non-technical bosses, and how companies can keep their metaphorical plates spinning while adding more.

**Show Links**

Anand Safi on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsafi

Mark43 website | https://www.mark43.com/ 

Toastmasters International website | https://www.toastmasters.org/

Mentor Cruise website | https://mentorcruise.com/ 

PlatoHQ website | https://www.platohq.com/

Connect with Tim Bornholdt on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/timbornholdt/

Chat with The Jed Mahonis Groups about your app dev needs | https://jmg.mn