Hello, everyone.

It’s February 16, 2021, we’re still inside, still listening to podcasts to help pass the time.

We're thrilled about this episode. Jon and Liz interview author Avner Landes. His upcoming book, Meiselman: The Lean Years, is really something special. Hilarious, heartwarming, beautifully written. It’s something any of us writers dream of creating.

Meiselman is due in March, and it’s from Tortoise Books. 

As for Avner, he earned his M.F.A. from Columbia University and works as a ghostwriter. He lives near Tel Aviv with his wife and kids. Meiselman is his debut novel.

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